Summary of Lichen discussion from iSpot.
From https://www.ispotnature.org/communities/southern-africa/view/project/463987/southern-african-lichens -which is now deleted.
Southern African Lichens
3 January 2015 - 4:19PM By Tony Rebelo
I would dearly love a project on lichens of southern Africa.
But how do we achieve this? There are lots of genera scattered among fungi: how to collect them (clearly iSpot does not allow more than 1 scientific name, let alone almost 300 genera).
And please dont suggest a tag: tagging thousands of lichen observations is not going to work. One option is via the dictionary (they are flagged in our dictionary, but that data are not in iSpot!!)
Some information at http://www.ispotnature.org/node/625351 - e.g. lists of Lichen genera
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I know that there are lots of
5 January 2015 - 11:04PM Jonathan
I know that there are lots of lichenised fungi, but if there are a few top-level groups then you can use these. That's all I can suggest.
Jonathan
Top level groups
5 January 2015 - 11:18PM Tony Rebelo
But the taxonomy filter only allows one taxon. So one cannot select several families. Nor could you removed subtaxa within a taxon if they are not licheniferous.
The southern African community has migrated to iNaturalist at www.inaturalist.org with all its data in early 2018. Beware that southern African data and identifications on this site are out of date and no longer updated.
What would work
11 January 2015 - 1:54PM Tony Rebelo
Is if I could load all the genera into a file and put it in the taxonomy filter box.
Any idea if this is possible?
A tribute to Marlandza
11 January 2015 - 8:27PM Tony Rebelo
Marlandza - in the days before projects, when she single-handedly tried to get a Lichen project going using tags:
Li-CALO_all http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28535
Li-CALO_rena http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28536
Li-CLAD_all http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28478
Li-CLAD_floer_01 http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28533
Li-CLAD_pixie_01 http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28469
Li-DIPLOICIA_all http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28474
Li-PERTUS_all http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28475
Li-PHYS_aipo http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28541
Li-PHYS_all http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28540
Li-SIPH_cer http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28534
Li-TONINIA_all http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28473
Li-TONINIA_bumamma http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28537
Li-TRAPELIA http://www.ispotnature.org/taxonomy/term/28543
& empty:
Li-XAN_MAC_all
Li-XAN_MAC_con
Alas: most months she blew her cap and had to spend the last few days without internet.
Thanks Marlandza: let us see how it plays out in the future!
Thanks Tony
16 January 2015 - 2:34PM marlandza
Lets see what we can do - ZA lichens are really something to spend time on -
At least I don't have cap problems now.
"'n Boer maak 'n plan" - do we have a Plan B?
Have mailed you something.
Taxonomical links
5 May 2015 - 9:08AM Tony Rebelo
A fuller taxonomy is available below, but here are taxonomical links to Marlandza's tags above.
(remember you can see the species for each genus by clicking on childs (those in blue have observations), and you can also go up the taxonomy tree by clicking on the name in the taxonomy-strip):
http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/Caloplaca
http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/Cladonia
http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/Diploicia
http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/Pertusaria
http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/Physcia
http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/Siphula
http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/Toninia
http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/Trapelia
http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/Xanthoria
Note that you can bookmark the taxonomy url and just add the taxon to get all the observations for a taxon immediately using the "taxonomy link": bookmark this:
http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/
and just add your taxon (any valid scientific name or any rank)
substitute CoL or UKSI for the other two dictionaries (global and UK, respectively).
so http://www.ispotnature.org/species-dictionaries/sanbi/Lecanoromycetes Note you can also surf lichens using the following
http://www.ispotnature.org/communities/southern-africa/species-browser/Lecanoromycetes and just like the "taxonomy link" there is a browsing/surfing link - bookmark this
http://www.ispotnature.org/communities/southern-africa/species-browser/
and just add your taxon (any valid scientific name or any rank)
substitute Chile, Hong-Kong or UK-and-Ireland for the other communities respectively
The species surfer
22 May 2015 - 9:15AM Tony Rebelo
The species surfer (browser) allows us to summarize our southern African Lichen data currently as:
Lecanoromycetidae
- Lecanorales: 61 taxa
- Teloschistales: 39 taxa
- Peltigerales: 10 taxa
Rhizocarpales: 5 taxa
Ostropomycetidae: 12 taxa
Acarosporomycetidae: 2 taxa
I dont know why the project summaries dont do this automatically on each load: have requested it.
http://www.ispotnature.org/communities/southern-africa/species-browser/Lecanoromycetes
how to get lichen experts in general (wherever in the world) to have a look at the ZA lichens, -
There has been some valuable input from international experts - but as you say it's sometimes difficult to give a firm ID from a photo.
TO TIDY THINGS UPhow to make a key at least to some of the main groups?
A new problem for me has been that my UK finds are getting muddled with the ZA finds -
which makes me think I could start with tagging LICHENS-UK and LICHENS-ZA - see what works for me and then if this makes sense we could do others.
I see in the UK they are often separated - for example churchyard likens and another Scottish Atlantic Woodland. Surely we can do this - Tony should be able to assist - the Knysna Forest and other forest lichens could be separated. Then we have the Atlantic Coast and the Namaqualand inland area.
- http://www.ispotnature.org/projects/new-zealand-fungi-and-lichens = 30 observations
- http://www.ispotnature.org/projects/lichens-of-the-world = 578 observations
- This project: 907 observations.But this project is linked to the SANBI dictionary and wont display Lichens from outside the region.
Numbers games
5 May 2015 - 8:45AM marlandza
Of the 907 how many have been ID'ed?
Then of the 578 and growing, there are probably quite a lot more that have been ID and commented upon - I know from my posts to iSpot UK.
All
5 May 2015 - 9:26AM Tony Rebelo
All have been ID'd otherwise they would not be in the project - the filter relies on the ID!!
There are others that are not IDd yet: they wont show.
All three projects will grow, but more in proportion to contributors than taggers.
I think I have shown below that your tags are defunct: move over to the taxonomy: it is far more powerful.
Because tagging them is so ridiculous
5 May 2015 - 12:25AM Tony Rebelo
Because tagging them is so ridiculous, I have changed this project.
Now anyone can make any Lichen link to this project, by simply IDing them as Lecanoromycetes. The experts can then assign them to any other groups where they are wrong.
The other groups are listed below. Unfortunately at this stage iSpot does not allow multiple taxa (like it does with groups, habitats, tags and users).
If it did then we could have "Lecanoromycetes, Arthoniales, Baeomycetales, Candelariales, Lecideales, Lichinomycetes, Mucorales, Mycocaliciales, Orbiliales, Pleosporales, Pyrenulales, Trypetheliales, Umbilicariales, Verrucariales" to define 99% of Lichens.
The project will also accept the ID of English Name "Lichen"
Now that is a far more elegant solution than putting in tags all over the place. But it does mean that when properly identified (with a common name) the observations will leave the project. (but not this project)
From THE CONFUSED and RIDICULOUS ONE to TONY
5 May 2015 - 12:28AM marlandza
I've been IDing as LICHEN the unknown's for ages
so how does this link to the project.
Confused by the reference to Common name - if we don't have an ID how will we have a common name?
So what is the aim of the new project?
Lichens
5 May 2015 - 12:34AM Tony Rebelo
The ID of Common Name = "Lichen" is a valid ID.
This project will collect them.
How? Because that is how the filter is set up!
Anyone can make the ID!! No need for tags, or for trying to get someone else to tag.
And if you know the Scientific name (to order, family, genus, species), it will still stay in this project 95% of the time. (The other 5% are the smaller Lichen groups which this project cannot cope with at present).
Either way
5 May 2015 - 8:40AM marlandza
one still need to go back to update the LICHEN in common name or tag -
My problem is with my own lichen finds from UK and ZA - the ZA ones - even with the name as LICHEN - this has not been agreed. There aren't enough people looking at them, never mind the experts!
With the tags I'll be able to separate my finds when looking back. This problem has come with iSpot becoming global.
You are welcome to tag and organize your own
5 May 2015 - 9:20AM Tony Rebelo
You are welcome to tag and organize your own. Who will do everyone elses?
But I reiterate what I said two years ago: Using the taxonomy is far more powerful and useful than tags. With the taxonomy you can look at children, go up and down the taxonomic tree (parents and children) with a click.
And anyone can contribute until an expert pops in. We do have experts look in occasionally. And they do make a huge difference.
You may want to read this: http://www.ispotnature.org/projects/southern-african-lichens#comment-345463
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